Thats OK with me. The gun itself Cannot be rendered safe without the chamber being empty. NO - any responsible gun owner should have some reservation until enough information has been provided. Hell, Colt still makes the Single Action Army. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Fuck off gov. Any striker fired pistol that doesnt incorporate some type of manual safety has the same chance of a ND as a Glock. Will again once they are old enough to figure out crapping ones pants is a bad idea.
Glock and carrying with chambered round | Page 2 | SIG Talk Heres a link to it. and so as to keep continuity in their mindset they keep that same gun on the headboard at night with no round in the chamber so that there wont be any confusion 19th century Colt hammers. There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution. As for kids, had 3 daughters, all knew all weapons were loaded, all were shooting bb guns by 5, learned safety and marksmanship, and by ten, the oldest could out shoot me with the Smith 9mm semi, steel. I do same with shotgun the last round fired stays in the chamber. People who carry them are so rare that I felt like it wasnt worth mentioning, and Im probably still right. Somewhat different than in rural MS tho, speaking as one who attended a full auto shoot at a local range about a month ago. Youll probably die trying to get your semi-auto back into battery after attempting a contact shot anyway. Ive done this quite a bit when rabbit hunting. While millions of Americans keep and/or bear GLOCKs and GLOCK-like striker-fired pistols without mishap, mishaps do sometimes occur.Let's face it: the average gun owner has lousy trigger discipline. Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. Being an *untrained* klutz is something entirely different. These Glocks have been beat to death and not once has the gun " fired " without some sort of trigger manipulation. It still works now, so long as the comment page is more than three years old. The ground is about the best bullet backstop one can get.
Concealed Carry Corner: Top 4 Carry Myths to Avoid - The Firearm Blog The Last Word. Some extras, just in case one breaks? But now I get 18! In fact, when applying for a gun permit in Israel, self-defense is not an acceptable reason to get a gun. Kind of like Youtube is determined to censor everything but SJWs and cat videos. After all, this aint Dodge City and you aint Bill Hickok. In a way, the GLOCK trigger is similar to a double action revolver trigger. I wouldnt have or carry any with a non hot pipe, but thats just me. to all you sanctimonious what iffers and self styled know it alls out there: 1 you many not have time to chamber. Perfect analogy. It would be as if a round was pushed into the ground, primer up, and then a firing pin dropped from a height, point down, directly into the primer. It became the norm to carry with an empty chamber. there's always a round in the chamberBG's don't usually give you a timeout to rack one in +1 Besides everyone knows the cool racking sound scares off any bad guys : ), Yes. The Israelis didn't invent the practice but it got the name from Israeli armed forces policy. Glocks have a trigger pull of 5-1/2 to 6 pounds. Glock 17. Because there are a lot of areas where carrying a firearm will bite you if you cant get it right. It will go off. 29 July 2022 by srnoj. Its interesting to note that Massoud Ayoob reported that when one Police Department got fed up with all the accidental discharges with Glocks and went over to a double action only auto that accidental discharges dropped to almost zero. Again, carrying with an empty chamber isnt wrong, but it just isnt quite right. I still counted 16, but when he starts fanning it gets a little hard to keep track. The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. It likewise utilizes a cocking system that is unique amongst striker-fired pistols. All I get is replies that they are working on it. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. This also means that if the firing pin somehow gets enough inertia to hit the primer, from some other source than the hammer (whatever that source might be), and then the round in front of the pin suddenly ceases motion, the firing pin will continue forward into the round anyway, no matter what the hammer, trigger, barrel, or etc, do. Hmm that give away means youre at least in your 60s bordering on senility. this aint 1902 with a Colt .38 Long primitive revolver and you probably aint riding a horse in pursuit of cattle thieves. Time waits for no man, and neither do bad guys. . They like it this way. Thats a bunch of bologna written by writers who know nothing about guns. But as Sam has pointed out, one needs to practice and I have. Um, Smith & Wesson doesnt use a transfer bar, they use a hammer block. The gunfight at the end was pretty good otherwise, but at one point Costner gets 16 shots out of his Colt SAA without reloading. Doesnt come into play until youve already fired 5 times. They said that it was the fault of Glocks having a super light trigger. No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The reason was that there wasnt anything between the hammer and either the nipple or the primer of the cartridge. The SAA was designed to be carried fully loaded with the hammer back on the first notch. Glock developed their patented Safe Action System which will not allow the gun to be fired without a finger on the trigger and a dedicated trigger pull. Apparently the last time it worked. The gun is DA/SA, so the first shot is a long pull on the trigger, but I routinely practice it, so Im OK with it. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Second, they also trained. You can also watch plenty of guys who have never once needed their guns in a confrontation, yet shot themselves because they kept one in the chamber. OFC, in an experiment such as DGs above, we have to have that case in some sort of chamber, to hold the round in perfect position in line with the front of the firing pin while some other device provides the inertia to fire. It was a girl participating in a shooting contest. whenever anyone posts on this page: In my 3-screw, yes. Gunfights can happen that fast. I am lacking a rapier and main gauche though so maybe not ready for the six fingered man. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. I for one dont want to take the chance of fumbling around with a gun trying to rack the gun under pressure. For me I often carry without one in the chamber, like when I am in the woods doing stuff. See? (Some chance remains, of course, given extraordinary circumstances that can be described but have statistically no chance of happening.).
3-5 Rifle Gun Safe, Gun Safes for Home Rifle and Pistols, Quick Access The Glock 19 is one of the most popular models of Glock that is available on the market. June 2016. This subject is DOA just like the OP. That makes a takeaway more likely to succeed if attempted. P.T. And you should be, too. Glock 22 Gen 3 (Photo: Gunprime) The full-size Glock 22 was made to fill the gap between .45 and 9mm. . A revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer IS ready to fire. Israeli special forces dont empty chamber carry. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/ I forget just how stupid people like you really are your response is so childish and you carry guns I hope you dont blow your face off looking down the end with six letters grow up. Now youve introduced a firearm where one might not otherwise have been involved, not to mention triggering the bad guys own sense of self preservation. With any decent holster you will be fine. Not only that, but the holster allows you to "re-holster" off body which also greatly reduces the odds of clothing or something getting caught in the trigger guard. The Glock 17M and Glock 19X are two designs with Gen 5 features. plan A: have an empty gun you throw onto the ground to start the action. as for being out in public goes if somebody gets the drop on me with a knife or firearm at super close range i figure that im only going to be 50/50 on that anyway Glockster20. The priming compound could care less WHAT hits it, so long as the blow has sufficient energy to activate the explosive charge in the primer, it will detonate.
Why the Glock Model 48 is ideal for smaller cops - Police1 Have you ever tried carrying your bolt action on a loaded round with the striker down? Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. To sum up: there were a few objections to my original post that, on their face, had some truth to them. Are you my mother? Over at gunssavelives.net, Dan Cannon has unearthed the SAFE-DRAW system for GLOCK brand GLOCK pistols.SAFE-DRAW gives the Austrian-born pistol an initial 17 pound trigger pull. What kind of a moron thought THAT was a good idea? If carry my Glock its in a solid Crossbreed holster with one in the chamber. i doubt that israelis whose primary weapon is a pistol actually use israeli carry. It's not like TV where you always have time to rack a slide. They didnt know. If you want a common username better grab it quick though. To chamber or not to chamber? Um. On Amazon, they run about $35 just sans the NRA stamped door. And so it is when carrying a Glock as well. I carry with a round chambered in my autoloading handguns. Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. The innovative design of the hybrid steel-polymer slide chambered in our first .22 caliber round provides a lightweight and low recoil functionality for optimal control. Kathy Jackson suggests that doing this safely comes down to two things, equipment and habits. Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. Thats why the old timers carried them on an empty chamber. Because of its usefulness and reliability, many police and government agencies adopted this model as their service pistol. I have trained chambering on the draw and while it is less effective it still gives me options. I own several safes, and none of them fit in my holster. Youd figure Colt would have gotten with the program by now and made the SAA with a transfer bar.
Glock and carrying with chambered round | SIG Talk As for the replicas, these are hit-and-miss when it comes to carrying on an empty chamber. Big Bill: Yup. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six??. I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own.
Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered - Todd Lyons Here we have a conundrum. They are: Glocks are completely drop-safe and are one of the safest pistols you can carry. Cocked and locked . Not a bad plan. Ive run an experiment with a rough 1911 with a POS barrel that was scrap. And therefore only idiots use it. Agreement.
Can You Shoot Aluminum Cased Ammunition In A Glock? Understanding The I dont expect hardware (or software) to compensate for a persons stupidity, as opposed to the opinion of many other people who think it should. However, with an unchambered semi-auto, that may be a more credible concern. THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY AND ONLY ONE WAY TO CARRY A GLOCK SAFELY AND THAT IS WITH AN EMPTY CHAMBER PERIOD AND THERE CAN BE ZERO ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT IF YOU ARE STILL IN CONTROL OF YOUR MENTAL FACULTIES AND NOT LIVING IN A NARCISSISTIC FANTASY WORLD OF GLOCK UTOPIA. Its part of being human.
Glock Pockets - Pistols in Your Pocket | Officer PS: I have never had an ND with my EDC G23 chamber loaded these past 22 years. Me personally I carry a snap cap in the chamber, so if some lucky bastard grabs my gun and shoots hes about to be dead. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo.
How Long Can You Keep a Round in the Chamber? - Option Gray 1 - 20 of 30 Posts. While carrying or holstering? Third, the reason that actual experts (I would say I am knowledgeable to a point, but an expert I am not) recommend NOT carrying in Condition Three is for the reason that it takes a lot of training and repetition to get truly proficient and most people with a lot of training and proficiency dont carry their pistol unloaded. Didnt fire..interesting. Fat troll. But my Glock has an empty chamber.
Glock .40 Caliber Breakdown and Buyer's Guide - Pew Pew Tactical Well your odds of dying of heart disease is about a thousand times more likely than dying from a criminal attack, so, maybe something to think about. I think five guns is the bare minimum, and thats how I always answer the one gun question. Many firearms enthusiasts and experts consider it to be the most effective and efficient way to carry a handgun for self-defense. That photo of the safe is cute, if completely patronizing to those who make the kids argument. When I was new to guns I bought a DA/SA pistol with safety/decocker because I lacked the confidence to go with a hot gun without the safety, never fell for the empty chamber myth as a safe way to carry, always thought it was a sure way to get killed.. Once I was confident enough, now I only carry a gun without a safety and it always has one in the pipe, always carried in a holster. Same here. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. A few weeks went by & I realized I was safe. I had the same concerns when I first started to carry my Glock. Thanks for the tip. Carrying On An Empty Chamber. That was back in the 1970s somewhere. Only, dumb guys wouldnt understand that. If you did not realize the design is dangerous, you would not have spent so much time belaboring the obvious. Old school, extract, thumb, trigger finger, rinse n repeat often until autopilot takes over. which for them is unwise because it feels utterly unsafe to do so Ive carried in condition one for nearly 25 years. Someone with little firearms experience who feels over confident in his/her carry technique is more likely to find him/herself in trouble. We were assured that; were working on it. Did dad work for a local Florida PD not to be named? An unchambered gun is a dangerous, useless-to-you half measure. Since I do not carry(Los Angeles County), my handguns are ready very quickly. Why You Should Keep One Bullet in the Chamber.
Is It Safe To Carry A Chambered Glock - MonteneGroand Partners Many people have said, "A Glock doesn't have a safety." In this video, Dustin Winegar demonstrates that the Glock pistol design is actually one of the safest. 1; 2; Next. After a few years of working on them self-taught, I finally . The Baltimore Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Miami Police Department, and Maryland State Police are all known to utilize the Glock handgun. In the 1930's, W.E. Just that for most every use, there are other choices that are better. When you thumb the hammer back for the first shot, it only rotates 1/12th or the way around instead of 1/6th. Break into my house and well see how seriously you take a couple .44 mag slugs to the chest. Its funny how a pimp like VLAD TEPES is accepted and sometimes glorified for his rhetoric of cut and paste (fake news) values but a person who simply chooses a different way of carrying is villified and demonized by those who scream for personal freedom. And the latter is where a Glock is dangerous as is *any* other firearm. My Glock 23 is fully loaded, and no problems at all, even with the 3.5 connector in it that lightens the trigger pull a bit. . A 1911 or single-action pistol in Condition 1 is comparable to a striker-fired, safe-action pistol, like a Glock, which is always in a semi-cocked condition when a round is in the chamber anyway. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? Ive committed all those errors and I grew from them. IMO, anyway. My God, WTF is wrong with people who bash others for simply doing what they choose to do? I do carry that way, however, with my 1911. Not much difference really. On Firefox for Windows, it just goes to the top of the page, but it will still get the newest comments. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe. Sad, isnt it? Im a lefty and the controls on the P 89 are completely ambitious I love SA/DA hammer fired autos. I help equip people with knowledge and skills so they can be safe and effective with firearms. She had the edge, rock steady hands of a brain surgeon. So you think youre perfect look in the mirror clown I am not trying to get an A here I really wonder if you can shoot at all like getting rounds on the target I think I hurt your feelings again wha what wha. Im not interested in Israeli carry of a firearm. The full magazine has ten rounds, and the "+1" is the round that is in the chamber. Sub-one second times, under stress are the norm when properly trained. Sound off in the comments! As stated above, Glocks are safe. I thought it was just the cops and regulars of the IDF. I also felt the same way. 21 foot rule gets those people every time. Its your right to self defense. Here's video that GLOCK produced that explains the trigger safety. Yeah, me too. The 16 chamber cylinder is specifically a reference to Kevin Costner in Open Range. We do all make mistakes. We have lots more on the site to show you. I carry my Jericho the same way.
Should You Carry Your Pistol Cocked And Locked? - Gun Digest Wonder why guns are the most logical option? Carrying with an empty chamber was John Waynes great advice, applicable to old, single action revolvers. I wonder how it avoids the googlebots? One or two chances to mess up with an empty chamber, but thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of chances to ventilate your own leg while taking a piss. Same here. Consider this, if everyone carried a weapon in condition 3, how many mass shootings would there be? Modern shooter often often dont want to fiddle with something complex. The good folks at Iver Johnson (related in name only to the company that exists today) developed a lifting bar that sat between the hammer and the primer of the cartridge. I will say this again: If other blogs can do it, then it can be done. I cant believe this is even a subject for discussion. You hit the nail on the head with "comfortable", but that is subjective. Ho Hum, Well written I answered the asked question.
How to Store Home Defense Weapons - USA Carry To the point I know I can unholster, rack, and have my tritium dots centered on some perps forehead before they know whats coming. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales. A great capability, because a dud round will usually fire upon a second strike, and your finger is going to automatically do that anyway.
The Top 10 Best Handguns for Carrying (Plus Two Extras, Just in Case) Theoretically, the slide safety could be accidentally disengaged in your holster rendering a cocked and locked 1911 significantly more susceptible to a ND when drawn given the user didnt know the safety was disengaged. But thats good. Glock came up with this and called it the 'Glock Safe Action Trigger'. I really would like to know if theres a response to my comments. Odds of the shooter getting 4 shots off would be pretty low. you are correct. In war or a defensive situation, that will get you killed. He has earned black belts in four martial arts and is a certified Krav Maga instructor. 7. The graveyards are full of former motorcycle riders and Glock users. I carry one in the chamber of my ruger P89 with 17 rounds in the magazine. Too big, to heavy although I can cock the hammer on the draw with no problem (passive firing pin models). Ive been known to knock over a glass of milk , spill my coffee down my chin , have people toot their horn at me from time to time , you get my point . The claim is that because Glocks have no safety and a super light trigger, they accidentally shoot people. Yes, you're being silly. Cycling against objects using your sight is slow and not easily done. Colt change the SAA!? Just old school geeze, too used to doing the hard chit the same way, but it worked for me. Glocks have a feature that prevents the trigger from accidentally being pulled, blocks the firing pin until the trigger is fully pressed, and the pistol is not actually cocked until the trigger is puled. Frankly, most of us should be more concerned about our cholesterol anyway. You just have to get comfortable with it. Some say it makes the trigger drag, but it doesnt on mine. Want to vent about something? Appendix carry, when performed with the right holster and a trained hand, is perfectly safe, and that includes your Glock 19 handgun. My wife carries her Beretta 92 loaded with the hammer down and the safety off so all she has to do is draw and fire; first shot DA and the rest SA. But no self-defense. The Glock if it came under the Governments Consumer Safety Council would never have been allowed on the market. Mike Cumpston [Public domain], via Wikimedia CommonsCredit where due, its true that in days long past the best practice was to carry your revolver with the hammer resting on an empty chamber or on an empty primer nipple in pre-cartridge pistols. I once owned 12 of them. Does the Mossad or other Israeli special services Israeli carry? The odds are not in favor of the added time it takes to try and chamber a round, let alone the stress of a real situation. The reason that the Israelis carry with an empty chamber is because Israel does not have a concept of self defense. You cant just twitch and accidentally shoot one. Have you ever negligently failed to check your blind spot and cut someone off on the freeway? It's a mental block you will have to outgrow. Say, if you can make that mistake (and you did), are you willing to admit that maybe, just possibly, youve mad other mistakes?